tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post6830179034080549514..comments2024-01-02T11:22:27.624+01:00Comments on VIS news - Holy See Press Office: PUBLICATION OF CDF NORMS ON MOST SERIOUS CRIMESVIS - Holy See Press Officehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00864309219040519020noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-70604770568586708052010-10-27T23:25:08.537+02:002010-10-27T23:25:08.537+02:00If you are not comfortable with the Church's l...If you are not comfortable with the Church's law that prohibits the ordination of women, you can go and open your own "church". Don't destroy the Church Our Lord Jesus Christ instituted. Women ordination has no place in the teachings of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-4474919427587872482010-09-16T17:47:58.809+02:002010-09-16T17:47:58.809+02:00It's all just wrong
Let us move on (and away f...It's all just wrong<br />Let us move on (and away from religion)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-75942829545317233642010-08-14T04:55:37.172+02:002010-08-14T04:55:37.172+02:00I certainly understand the anger if the Vatican ma...I certainly understand the anger if the Vatican made sex crimes less important than ordination of women. I beileve abuse of minors by anyone, including clergy, to be a horrendous crime.<br /><br />I just finished reading the entire text of the norms and the summary of the changes to be added. First, it never says that womens ordination is worse. Secondly, it clarifies that sex abuse by a priest is serious and specifies a couple specific situations where a priest would be committing a severe immoral act. Thirdly, it specifies that a trial can be dispensed with so the Pope can discipline the priest immediately by removing him.<br /><br />You have to think of Canon Law like our legal process in the US, in the sense that if the law doesn't specifically state that a judge can do a specific thing, the judge can't do that. It has to be spelled out in the law. This is like that, it is a list of modifications to Pope Benedicts modifications of John Paul II's text. Its really all legalese that has to be put in. The specifics have to be clarified.<br /><br />I can see why people might jump to the conclusion that the abuse and ordination are being considered equal, but that isn't at all what this is even treating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-33146996351681122532010-08-04T14:17:01.762+02:002010-08-04T14:17:01.762+02:00Get a grip on reality boys. Just because BXVI want...Get a grip on reality boys. Just because BXVI wants Vatican II to go away - ANYWHERE - will not make it so. We are done with this Vatican's solipsistic nonsense, forever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-18920963348790138962010-08-01T15:45:16.031+02:002010-08-01T15:45:16.031+02:00It is very destructive when people who are not edu...It is very destructive when people who are not educated on the role of women in the Roman Catholic Church make inflammatory comments on instructions such as these. I am extraordinary minister of the Eucharist, a 56 year old woman,a physician, a wife and a mother. My Church lifts up women as She lifts up Mary,the Mother Of God. There are reasons that only men are ordained as priests.Learn them before you speak out of ignorance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-13404028129364834802010-07-30T18:51:24.302+02:002010-07-30T18:51:24.302+02:00No . Woman Priests would only add to lesbian "...No . Woman Priests would only add to lesbian "Women" priests and young minor girls be attacked as pray. Rome has got this right.<br />This is the best Pope I can see to lead the Catholic Church from all what has happened.<br />There will never be women in the Catholic CHURCH.<br />It is not about equal status. It is about who was chosen to lead due to their strengths.....<br />The day women are recognised by Rome will be the end of the Catholic Church we mustremeber what the prayer of St Michael the Archangel says. Women priests are doing the work for satan dressed as Holy people. No women priest ever.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-19001629481667549532010-07-21T22:32:44.463+02:002010-07-21T22:32:44.463+02:00I bet the pope would crap his draws if ALL women r...I bet the pope would crap his draws if ALL women resigned themselves from going to church! What do you think ladies?? I see crap like this and I remember WHY I DONT step foot into a church but I do pray to GOD and I do believe with all my heart in GOD!! I just dont believe in popes like him for doing things like this! How dare he put women who love the Lord into a category with pedophile priests?? WTF??????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-20013890901382220332010-07-19T02:42:55.683+02:002010-07-19T02:42:55.683+02:00What if Christ had been born a hemaphrodite? Woul...What if Christ had been born a hemaphrodite? Would that have disqualified both men and women? Do you really believe Mother Teresa would not have been a good priest, Bishop, or Pope? I truly hope that when the Holy Spirit greets Pope Benedict, she gives him a piece of her mind. By eliminating women and married men from the clergy, you eliminate most of the flock - and you are settling for second best. Maybe that's why we have so many scandals in the clergy. What if Christ had been born Jessica Christ? Would that have made Benedict any different? Any less qualified to be Pope? Let's use some common sense here. (Male) Bishop O'Hara grad. Everyone write Pope Benedict at benedictxvi@vatican.va and let him know how bass ackwards the Church is on this one. Of course, at one time, they condemned people with the irrational idea that the earth wasn't the center of the universe too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-27398100963624702652010-07-18T13:23:28.991+02:002010-07-18T13:23:28.991+02:00One of the ideas Jesus promotes in the Lords Praye...One of the ideas Jesus promotes in the Lords Prayer is that we treat other people as we wish to be treated. Have you done this with regard to women?<br /><br />To mention the aspiration of some women to serve as priests in the Church, in a document talking about the destructive behaviour of existing male priests is insulting to all women beyond words. It proves that deep at its heart the Church believes women are fundamentally flawed, and not spiritually equal to men.<br /><br />The Church will no doubt hide behind the “who Jesus selected to be his apostles” argument. By that logic then only Jewish Arabic and Greek men should be priests. Men from all other ethnic groups should be excluded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-5351711264617732632010-07-17T19:42:43.984+02:002010-07-17T19:42:43.984+02:00I am Shocked! To read the pure contempt the Vatic...I am Shocked! To read the pure contempt the Vatican displayed toward females made me ill. Women priests will put the pedophiles out of business in the Catholic Church,and the loving<br />and always tolerant message of our Savior, Jesus<br />Christ, will shine from the pulpits around the world. What would Christ want? To me the answer<br />is obvious, Women Priests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-79854300164260107282010-07-17T19:26:33.651+02:002010-07-17T19:26:33.651+02:00I most emphatically denounce the comparison of ord...I most emphatically denounce the comparison of ordained women with pedophile priests!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-34377693272621588672010-07-17T11:07:04.541+02:002010-07-17T11:07:04.541+02:00What would Jesus do? I would say... What Jesus has...What would Jesus do? I would say... What Jesus has done? and we know it for sure.We are all church but it doesn't mean that it is "my Church" in fact is "Jesus' Church", the Church doesn't belong to any of us (not even the Pope). That is why certain things are very difficult to change...simply because Jesus did things in His way and not in our way...and He is the true Head of the Church. Pope and Bishops with all their human mistakes try to spread the message of Jesus. History tells us that many mistakes has been done...but also we know that the message has been preserve. <br />Jesus was killed because not everybody agreed what He preached. The history goes on...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-4646185023921213772010-07-16T20:03:33.279+02:002010-07-16T20:03:33.279+02:00What would Jesus do? I can not find any place whe...What would Jesus do? I can not find any place where Jesus would exclude anyone from his salvation, nor do I find where Jesus discriminated against anybody in his teachings or his gifts. I will follow Jesus and not the dictates of men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-27734137369890814202010-07-16T01:55:22.479+02:002010-07-16T01:55:22.479+02:00Needless to say, the only bit that the media got i...Needless to say, the only bit that the media got in some countries was ordination of women. There should be a mention of the reasons (the Church doesn't have authority to change what Christ indicated and so forth) in anticipation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6657042621577447711.post-64109854756305387152010-07-15T19:24:01.094+02:002010-07-15T19:24:01.094+02:00Response from A Roman Catholic Womenpriest
15 Jul...Response from A Roman Catholic Womenpriest<br /> 15 July 2010<br />The ordination of women as one of the most serious crimes against Roman Catholic canon law, or "delicta graviora" – putting it in the same category as sexual abuse of children by priests, is reprehensible. <br />We demand the vatican affirm women's full equality in the church including priestly ministry. We demand an end to misogyny in the Catholic Church. We demand that the vatican adopt reforms to transform church laws and practices to reflect transparency, accountability, justice and equality for all. <br />Roman Catholic Womenpriests believe this vatican document is intended to specifically intimidate priests who choose to walk in solidarity with us to attain justice for women in our church. Priests like Roy Bourgeois, Maryknoll priest of 38 years, founder of the School of the Americas Watch and 2010 nominee for the Nobel Prize for Peace. Bourgeois participated in the ordination of Janice Sevre-Duszynska in Lexington, Kentucky, on Aug. 9, 2008. <br />However, our experience is that every ordained woman has priests in good standing working with her to prepare for ordination. Their courage and ommitment to women's equality in the Catholic Church is surely the fruit of the Spirit, moving the Church into conversion. <br />They are not abandoning us. Their resolve to assist us grows stronger with every posturing threat that emanates from the Vatican. They are sick of living divided lives as priests and men.<br />The same is true for the laity, including those in religious life. <br />The male hierarchy , declared in May 2008 that we women, those ordaining us, and any who attend or support us would be self-excommunicating themselves as well. Yet, we continue to be supported by the people at the grassroots of the church. <br />That threat has not deterred the faithful thousands who attend Roman Catholic women’s ordinations all over the United States and Canada yearly. RCWP numbers have erupted from seven to over 100 ordained women in the last eight years since the first ordination in 2002 on the Danube in Europe. The attendance by thousands of Catholics is saying to the vatican the inequality imposed by the hierarchy which excludes women from priesthood is simply not acceptable any longer. <br />The vatican is ignored and has become irrelevant, if not ludicrous, to the people of God as a source of Catholic ethics, doctrine, dogma, truth and justice. Jesus would not join your church.<br />Categorizing the ordaination of women with priest pedophilia as “sin” is not only wrong; it is plain stupid. <br />Instead of excommunications and condemnations, the vatican would do well to correct the damaging behaviors of patriarchy, the abuse of spiritual power. We suggest that the vatican begin true renewal of itself by ending clergy abuses of power of all kinds towards nuns, women priests, and lay women in the Church who have as oppressed and exploited for millennia. They are as much as the victims of the church as the survivors of sexual abuse.<br />RCWP has asked the member states of the United Nations to support us in our quest for justice for women within the Roman Catholic Church and for justice for victims of Catholic clergy sexual abuse. It is unjust and discriminatory that the males at the vatican continue to deny us employment and decision-making within the Roman Catholic Church. This behavior is a violation of international law, our human rights, the example of Jesus and the integrity of conscience. <br />The Spirit of John XXIII and the Vatican II council is moving strongly and will not be stopped by the self-serving dictates coming from the vatican today. <br />Rev. Alice M. Iaquinta, M. Div.<br />Roman Catholic Womenpriests Midwest RegionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com